Sometimes the level of bullshit rises to a point where it’s not simply enough to call it bullshit.
Chris Angelini, Cris (@ConserValidity)
Posted Sunday 19th August 2012 from Twitlonger
@gemimms @Emperor_Bob Ignorance and stupidity doesn’t change the facts – Educate yourselves
Chris if you’re going to call someone out, using words like “Ignorance and stupidity” you best have your facts straight or you’ll be the one shown to be “ignorant and stupid”.
The politics of Medicare have changed. For decades, Democrats have run Mediscare ads claiming that Republicans would end Medicare as we know it;
Yes, and they were and are right. The Romney/Ryan plan to turn Medicare into a voucher system does end Medicare as we know it. It puts seniors and those with a disability at risk of not being able to afford health care they need, because the insurance they can afford with the voucher may not offer the services, procedures and medicine they need. They’ll be right back to losing everything they own in order to pay for medical costs in what should be their “golden years”.
now we have Obamacare which turns the entire healthcare system upside down, effectively obliterating Medicare; which includes taking $716 Billion in benefits&services;from current recipients of Medicare to finance Obamacare, in order to make Obamacare look like it didn’t add to the deficit.
Imagine that, putting people before profits. I know that’s a difficult concept for conservatives to grasp. The health care system needed to be turned upside down in order to set it right.
That 700 billion dollar in savings also shows up in Ryan’s budget. The difference is that the Ryan proposal takes the money out of health care for other purposes than health care. None of the savings in ObamaCare came out of “benefits or services from current recipients of Medicare”. That is simply a lie or ignorance. Take your pick.
PolitiFact | Ryan’s plan includes $700 billion in Medicare “cuts,” says Stephanie Cutter “Cutter was right about the Ryan plan. We rate her statement True.”
Obamacare cranks down the price controls for hospitals, it guts Medicare advantage, the program that gives 1 out of 5 seniors private insurance options
They propose a voucher system for medicare and then attack ObamaCare for basically doing the same thing? Which is rather bazaar since that is not the case at all.
How Obamacare strengthens Medicare Advantage
“…and it creates the “Independent Payment Advisory Board” –this is a 15 member commission of unelected bureaucrats, whose decisions (UNLIKE ANY OTHER PART OF OUR GOVT) are not subject to judicial or legislative review (so even congress can’t over-rule them). Which is going to command Medicine: tell doctors how to practice, how they should be organized and eventually start to make case by case decisions on what treatment patients are allowed to receive. President Obama says Medicare is going broke, we got to do something and there is no other option – so let’s delegate all of these decisions to 15 technocrats.”
Ah yes, the BIG LIE. The only thing right in that whole statement was the number on the board. The fact is that for profit insurance companies are much more likely to refuse coverage.
The IPAB: The Center Of A Political Clash Over How To Change Medicare – Kaiser Health News
Independent Payment Advisory Board Will Help Reduce Health Costs — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
First of all, the Romney/Ryan plan does not affect anyone 55 or older at all.
That’s a nifty bit of politics thinking that people won’t object to others being screwed as long as they aren’t getting screwed themselves. Fortunately, most people aren’t as narcissistic as conservatives that can only think of themselves, their money and what’s in it for them. You can always tell when you’re talking to a conservative because they only want to talk about the money, not the people involved.
The aim of the Romney/Ryan is to bring costs downthrough competition and make seniors more price conscious if they have to go out and buy their own health insurance with Government subsidizes.
What if the voucher isn’t enough? What if the insurance they can afford to buy doesn’t cover what they need? What about pre-existing conditions? Is the option to sell everything they have to pay for expensive procedures, equipment, medication or other health services? Is the plan to have them spend themselves into poverty then they can turn to medicaid (if its available)?
But one of the Big Government Democratic charges is that seniors are helpless and aren’t up for that, this is beyond their capabilities and they will end up having to pay more; is that right? NO, the model is the Federal Employee’s Health Benefit Program which covers all federal Workers, including members of Congress. The premium support payments, the subsidies you are talking about, rises over time with healthcare costs. The idea is- just by having seniors pay at the margin, if they want the most generous benefits, they’ll instead start to push down on healthcare costs. Economic History unequivocally proves this will happen and that’s really what the system needs.
See that, that’s how we know Chris is a conservative. Not a word about quality of life. Not a word about quality of care. All about the market, as if suddenly competition is going to drive down prices. The problem is that nobody knows for certain what is going to happen in the future. A long hospitalization or long term care would be catastrophic. If competition hasn’t brought down insurance and healthcare costs yet, how is going to magically happen because of vouchers? The elderly and disabled aren’t profitable. What is the incentive for insurance companies to provide affordable premiums when competition hasn’t had any affect on premiums or healthcare? It doesn’t matter to the insurance companies whether they get a government voucher or if its a direct pay. Seniors and disabled are preyed upon by all sorts of con artists. They are targeted deliberately. Insurance companies are notorious for their taking advantage of the elderly and disabled.
You have now got a very clear choice: 1) See if we can reduce costs through voluntary incentives or 2) Let unelected bureaucrats, override your doctor and say no to your hip replacement saying you are too old. The latter plan, which is the Obama plan, is going to be a loser with everyone.
Seriously this is the most absurd argument or statement yet; “reduce costs through voluntary incentives”. Who is going to voluntarily cut their prices? What kind of incentives are going to be offered to insurance companies or medical professionals that will have them cut their prices? They already cry because Medicare doesn’t pay enough, yet the market is going to magically fix that? If the market was going to force lower prices it would have already happened. Prices are out of control and the Romney/Ryan voucher system will do nothing to stop that.
“The Independent Payment Advisory Board is an expert body charged with developing and submitting proposals to slow the growth of Medicare and private health care spending and improve the quality of care. The President nominates the board’s 15 members, who require Senate confirmation, for staggered six-year terms. The board must include physicians and other health professionals, experts in health finance, health services researchers, employers, and representatives of consumers and the elderly. To prevent control by special interests, health care providers may not constitute a majority of the board’s membership.”
They aren’t going to be deciding if Grandma gets a hip replacement or not. That’s just right wing fear mongering.
That’s why interestingly; this week, Democrats who have loved this issue for years, could not wait to get away from it to talk about Romney’s tax returns. The fact that Democrats don’t want the Medicare fight is a seismic change.
I know conservatives would love to think that. Truth is that Romney/Ryan are on the wrong side on Medicare. The fact is that the more informed people are on the Romney/Ryan voucher program for Medicare the less they like it. Most people want Medicare left alone, ObamaCare ensures that Seniors and people with disabilities will have access to health care. The Romney/Ryan plan destroys Medicare and adds uncertainty.
As far as Romney and Ryan refusing to release tax returns, until they do it’s going to be a question in voters minds. What is it they are hiding? Romney has failed to release a single complete return. There are legitimate questions regarding who he has done business with. What kind of loopholes he has taken advantage of. Why did he have that Swiss Bank account and did he take advantage of the 2009 amnesty for tax dodgers? It must be a pretty big deal if they would rather keep information hidden rather than release them to the public.
The job of a Presidential Campaign is to lead, Romney and Ryan doing so is the right thing and the only responsible option.
Responsible? If lying is responsible then I guess you could say Romney/Ryan are responsible. They can’t even get their lies straight.
New Romney ad pushes debunked claim against Obama